[ga] Re: [TLDA Public] Re: Cesidian Root under attack from german police

["Joe Baptista" <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I read the comments by the assistant secretary baker at the doc to twomey.
Which see:

http://www.icann.org/correspondence/baker-to-twomey-09sep08.pdf

My interpretation is that commerce is besides itself with the DNSSEC fall
out.  I'm also sure the Department of State is involved and they are getting
plunked by the diplomatic sector.  Governments are now wise to what I call
the ICANN follies.

Lets be clear.  The DNS under DNSSEC will only serve to give absolute
authority of root operations to the root operators or ultimately the
Department of Commerce.

I have watched with amusement as a protocol I have always considered crap
has been mass marketed to the Internet community using security
vulnerabilities as its main selling point.  Security through fear is one
hard sell that has not worked so well in this case.  The world and its
nations are beginning to see that these security vulnerabilities are easy to
fix without having to put complete control of the DNS of every country and
individual into the hands of the brotherhood of the scary thirteen roots.

http://www.root-servers.org/

The pressure on commerce and state departments to explain themselves is
enormous.  As such we should not be surprised the DOC have put the brakes on
ICANN's attempt to take control of the Internet through the deployment of an
encryption process, being DNSSEC.

The real entertainment is to see what happens to the .GOV deployment of
DNSSEC.  I feel this announcement was premature in light of the letter from
the DOC to ICANN.

cheers
joe baptista

2008/9/24 Hon Most Rev Dr Cesidio Tallini <hmrevdr@xxxxxxxxx>

> Hi Peter, Hi Everybody.
>
> This secret treaty stuff sounds like the Gestapo...
>
> Anyway, I don't think they are targeting alt-roots. After all, we are just
> a directory for DNS information, and that is not proprietary by nature. You
> want to control who has access to, or prints/reprints proprietary
> information, for the purpose of making a fee/royalty/living from it, but the
> purpose of DNS is exactly the opposite, to allow everybody to access your
> information.
>
> It seems that the German government is acting like their secret/undisclosed
> activities/information were protected by some sort of a copyright, so they
> cannot target DNS, but they can target what they see as [ab]use of
> information. However, this is probably illegal anyway. You can prosecute a
> government employee that has sworn (and is being paid) to maintain secrecy,
> but you cannot prosecute/punish anyone else who is under no such obligation,
> especially when the information is being collected without any apparent
> process which can prevent privacy abuses.
>
> I think that was the very reason the information about the Skype
> conversation monitoring got out in the first place, because someone probably
> felt that the methods did not prevent privacy abuses, and perhaps even
> violated German law in one way or another.
>
> Cesidio
>
>
>
> 2008/9/24 Peter Dambier <peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>>
>> Hi Roeland, hi group,
>>
>> the Cesidian Root is not laying all their eggs into one nest.
>>
>> It is Jan Huwald who has been badly hit. I remember he was
>> running three servers at one time. It was his account for
>> working at the university that was terminated so all the
>> work he has done for a living cannot be accessed right now.
>>
>> We lost the secondaries for the ".pirates" tld and some slds.
>> Some email addresses started bouncing. More important we lost
>> contact with Jan Huwald.
>>
>> I am told by another pirate who lost his server - they dont
>> tell you why. They hint a secret treaty between the US and
>> the rest of the world, that is not even signed yet but is
>> going to be signed by the end of this year and the contents
>> of that treaty is to be kept secret.
>>
>> So I guess it is about Racines Libres.
>>
>> Remember what happened to AuRSC the Australian Rootservers
>> dont exist any longer. Nobody ever has tried again to build
>> a free root in Australia.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Peter and Karin
>>
>>
>> RoelandM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> > That is indeed unfortunate and argues for keeping a root-server separate
>> from other activities. But then, anyone can create a relevant pretext. Also,
>> the use of a University account is probably less than wise, for running a
>> publically available root-server. Universities are known to be politically
>> vulnerable/volatile/arbitrary/sensitive and free-speech, isn't.
>> >
>> >
>> > ---
>> > R O E L A N D   M J   M E Y E R
>> > Nyon, CH
>> > mailto: RoelandM@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > http://www.RoelandMeyer.Org
>> > Mob: +41 79 295 14 68
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: tlda-members@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:tlda-
>> >> members@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Dambier
>> >> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2008 1:11 AM
>> >> To: crlist@xxxxxxxx; Joe Baptista; Ga; Dirk Roth (Dirk);
>> >> yogi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; tlda-members@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Marc Manthey
>> >> Subject: [TLDA Public] Cesidian Root under attack from german police
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > a server that was running toplevel domains and services for
>> > the pirates party and the Cesidian Root has been taken by
>> > the german police.
>> >
>> > Jan Huwaldm who was running the server, not only lost his
>> > server but he lost his account at the university too.
>> >
>> > Please see the links at the bottom.
>> > Some of them are in english.
>> >
>> > I hope I can tell you more tomorrow.
>> >
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> > Peter and Karin
>> >
>> >
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>> > Pressemitteilung der Piratenpartei Deutschland vom 19.9.2008
>> >
>> > Repressionen gegen Piratenpartei werden fortgesetzt
>> >
>> > Der Fall um die Repression von Mitgliedern der Piratenpartei setzt sich
>> > fort. Nachdem Ende vergangener Woche ein Durchsuchungskommando beim
>> > Pressesprecher der Partei, Ralph Hunderlach, anrückte und ein Server
>> > des
>> > ehemaligen politischen Geschäftsführers der Partei, Jan Huwald,
>> > beschlagnahmt wurde, zieht der Fall nun weitere Kreise. Vorausgegangen
>> > war eine Veröffentlichung eines internen Dokuments des bayerischen
>> > Justizministeriums durch die Piratenpartei im Januar. Dieses Dokument
>> > belegt den damals rechtswidrigen Einsatz von Trojanern, mit deren Hilfe
>> > die Polizei in der Lage ist, verschlüsselte Telefonate via Skype und
>> > SSL-Verbindungen abzuhören.
>> >
>> > Nun wurde Huwald auch der elektronische Zugang zur Universität
>> > gesperrt.
>> > Da dieser erst nach der Beschlagnahmung seines Server als
>> > Kommunikationsmittel verwendet wurde, liegt die Vermutung nahe, dass es
>> > sich um eine weitere Maßnahme der Behörden handelt. Huwald wurde bis
>> > heute weder über die Beschlagnahmung noch die Sperrung informiert,
>> > sondern musste diese erst durch eigene Nachforschungen erfahren. Der
>> > Zugang zu den Dokumenten zur Beschlagnahmung und damit dem Mittel, sich
>> > juristisch zur Wehr zu setzen, wurde Huwald seitens seines Providers
>> > verweigert.
>> >
>> > "Bis vor einer Woche habe ich nur abstrakt gegen die allumfassende
>> > elektronische Überwachung gekämpft. Jetzt erfahre ich sie am eigenen
>> > Leib", so Huwald. "Durch meinen aktuellen Auslandsaufenthalt kann ich
>> > mich mit meinem Anwalt nur elektronisch in Verbindung setzen. Nachdem
>> > all meine privaten E-Mail-Adressen gesperrt wurden, musste ich auf
>> > einen
>> > Freemailer ausweichen. Nur sind die in Deutschland zur Vorhaltung aller
>> > E-Mails an die Polizei verpflichtet. Ein vertrauliches Gespräch mit
>> > einem Anwalt ist damit unmöglich, und mir bleibt die Möglichkeit zur
>> > Verteidigung verwehrt." Huwald und Hunderlach werden trotz der
>> > erschwerten Bedingungen gegen die Repression ihrer politischen Arbeit
>> > mit juristischen Mitteln vorgehen.
>> >
>> > Andreas Popp, Vorsitzender der bayerischen Piraten, meint dazu: "Diese
>> > Schikanen veranlassen uns nur dazu, uns noch mehr ins Zeug zu legen.
>> > Die
>> > beiden Betroffenen haben die volle Unterstützung der ganzen Partei. Es
>> > wurde bereits beschlossen, ihnen bei den Kosten für die Verfahren unter
>> > die Arme zu greifen, und aus ganz Deutschland melden sich
>> > Parteimitglieder, die ihren Teil dazu beitragen wollen. International
>> > erregt der Fall großes Aufsehen, weltweit berichten Magazine darüber."
>> >
>> > Ihr Fall zeigt ein weiteres Mal, dass ein Quellenschutz in Deutschland
>> > nur noch am Gutdünken der Obrigkeit hängt und dass im bayerischen
>> > Einparteienstaat Transparenz mit allen Mitteln bekämpft, statt
>> > gefördert
>> > wird. Die PIRATEN fühlen sich nun umso mehr in der Notwendigkeit ihrer
>> > politischen Arbeit bestärkt. "Wir werden uns trotz dieser
>> > Einschüchterungsversuche gegen einzelne Mitglieder nicht von unserem
>> > Weg
>> > abbringen lassen, die Bürgerrechte auch im digitalen Zeitalter zu
>> > bewahren. Diese Vorfälle zeigen umso deutlicher, dass das Thema
>> > Überwachung keine Lappalie ist und dass es uns alle treffen kann. Die
>> > Überwacher müssen dringend stärker selbst kontrolliert werden, sonst
>> > bildet sich ein Staat im Staate", sagt Jens Seienbusch,
>> > stellvertretender Vorsitzender der Piratenpartei Deutschland.
>> >
>> >
>> > Pressekontakte:
>> >
>> > Andreas Popp
>> > Vorstandsvorsitzender Piratenpartei Bayern
>> > E-Mail: andreas.popp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Telefon: ÿ0176-24025171
>> >
>> > Thorsten Wirth
>> > Vorstandsvorsitzender Piratenpartei Hessen
>> > E-Mail: t.wirth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Telefon: 069-78807681
>> >
>> > Jens Seipenbusch
>> > Stellvertretender Vorsitzender Piratenpartei Deutschland
>> > E-Mail: js@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Telefon: 0175-3482668
>> >
>> >
>> > Internationale Artikel zum Fall:
>> >
>> > The Register (England)
>> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/18/german_police_raid_pirate_party
>> >
>> > Dziennik Internautów (Polen)
>> > http://di.com.pl/news/23529,0,Niemiecka_Partia_Piratow_atakowana_polity
>> > cznie.html
>> >
>> > Numerama (Frankreich)
>> > http://www.numerama.com/magazine/10664-Un-Parti-Pirate-perquisitionne-
>> > apres-la-publication-de-documents-secrets.html
>> >
>> > Der Standard (Österreich)
>> > http://derstandard.at/?url=/?id=1220458410477
>> >
>> > Slashdot (USA)
>> > http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/09/17/1830230
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> --
>> Peter and Karin Dambier
>> Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana
>> Rimbacher Strasse 16
>> D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher
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>> +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de)
>> mail: peter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://www.peter-dambier.de/
>> http://iason.site.voila.fr/
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/
>> >>
>>
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>> --
>> Peter and Karin Dambier
>> Cesidian Root - Radice Cesidiana
>> Rimbacher Strasse 16
>> D-69509 Moerlenbach-Bonsweiher
>> +49(6209)795-816 (Telekom)
>> +49(6252)750-308 (VoIP: sipgate.de)
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>> http://www.peter-dambier.de/
>> http://iason.site.voila.fr/
>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/iason/
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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