Re: [ga] Re: Root server traffic
Andy Gardner wrote:
They can't. Its an embarrassment to have to tell the world the chinese are running an experimental root. Thats all they can say when it comes to that BCP-3 Jefsey keeps going on about. But that would cause the china to be insulted since the china national tld system is no experiment and something the chinese are very proud of. It is in full production. As is many other tld systems out there. And of course ICANN can't call that an alternative root. So ICANN who have known about this situation for years just ignores the chinese.
Tiscali was my client through UNIDT (now UnifiedRoot), INAIC and the Public Root. I was the one who activated those tlds. At the time I was involved they were pointing to the INAIC root. Tiscali now uses the root provided by UnifiedRoot. UnifiedRoot dropped the chinese national TLDs some time ago. So Tiscali no longer sees them. What is very strange in all of this is that I heard from i-dns that they carry only two of the chinese tlds. Thats all they have agreements with the chinese government. The other one they can't carry on the i-dns root. The root I produce, the public root, an open root is fully inclusive and sees all the chinese national tlds - as well as the national tlds of numerous other countries. Not complete but growing as we run tests to automate the system.
Of course. They are walking a very thin line carrying chinese national tlds. Alot of people are carrying them. Basically heres how it works for Verisign. They are making mega buck with ICANN playing make believe ICANN is in charge while they do business with the chinese. More mega buck. Thats all Verisign cares for. But these are potentially dangerous mistresses who are at odds with each other.
The leaders were i-dns. with the chinese and arabs following closely thereafter. Why the need to retest them? ICANN is in need of a face lift and introducing IDNs is the way. They already know they work so they launch them and take all the credit for testing them. Its what ICANN does best - bullshit.
People want to make money on IDN TLDs and they are pushing ICANN to get its act together. Its a lousy test too. If they really wanted to run a test they could give away permanent test tlds. Instead one of the largest root systems in town has set up numerous tlds and pointed them more or less to one place.
Lots of them already do. Turkey which I was involved in under INAIC has a number of its own turkish tlds. They have banks, and large corporations that run their own tlds. Bulgaria - i think thats the country was originally tested via the cesidianroot and now is on the i-dns system. Lots of ISPs and countries use i-dns. The arabs have their own closed system between a few countries. Not all of the arab countries participate. People are not waiting for ICANN. Innovation marches past the dead dinosour that is ICANN. But the real question is - where do these roots send their trash - i.e. error traffic at the root server? I'm not sure I known all the answers - but as far as the chinese are concerned they send their trash right back to ICANN where it belongs. And I think that is very appropriate and totally cute of the chinese. The errors created by ICANN or users are send back to ICANN by the china root. Its really cool. If the china root is queried for a tld it does not know, they just ship it to ICANN, they respond NOERROR and then pass the error or ICANN TLD on to the ICANN root servers, which then responds NXDOMAIN or NOERROR depending on ICANN. Example - if we ask the china root for a non existent domain - like the ICANN-ROOT-IS-A-TRASH-CAN or a real ICANN TLD we get this (I'll use the trash TLD can example for this test). $ dig @a.dns.cn. ICANN-ROOT-IS-A-TRASH-CAN. NS ; <<>> DiG 9.2.3 <<>> @a.dns.cn. ICANN-ROOT-IS-A-TRASH-CAN. NS ;; global options: printcmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 41 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 13, ADDITIONAL: 13 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;ICANN-ROOT-IS-A-TRASH-CAN. IN NS ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: . 266088 IN NS J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. . 266088 IN NS I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. ;; ADDITIONAL SECTION: A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 198.41.0.4 B.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 192.228.79.201 C.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 192.33.4.12 D.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 128.8.10.90 E.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 192.203.230.10 F.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 192.5.5.241 G.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 192.112.36.4 H.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 128.63.2.53 I.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 192.36.148.17 J.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 192.58.128.30 K.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 193.0.14.129 L.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 199.7.83.42 M.ROOT-SERVERS.NET. 352488 IN A 202.12.27.33 ;; Query time: 240 msec ;; SERVER: 203.119.25.1#53(a.dns.cn.) ;; WHEN: Fri Nov 23 18:43:07 2007 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 462 Its funny they send everything including the trash to ICANN, but of course ICANN does not realize its a trash can - so it responds accordingly. Is it any surprise the error rate at the ICANN root is so high. I think not. cheers joe baptista
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