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RE: [council] [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: ICANN's US jurisdiction
- To: "Rubens Kuhl" <rubensk@xxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [council] [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: ICANN's US jurisdiction
- From: <policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2016 01:40:15 -0700
- Cc: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "GNSO Council List" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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font-size:10pt;"><div>Thanks Rubens. You and are in alignment. The
one important purpose of WS2 Jurisdiction was to look at the contractual
framework jurisdiction issues, Endlessly rehashing ICANN's formation
jurisdiction has, unfortunately, bogged down the contractual framework
discussions that should have been well underway (and in fact, nearing
completion by this point). Instead, we are endlessly discussing formation
jurisdiction and now anti-accountability in the form of
"immunity."</div><div><br></div><div>As for your tongue-in-cheek suggestion of
a rotating formation jurisdiction, in addition to the last location of the
meeting, we should introduce a requirement that the country hasn't canceled its
currency on a surprise basis in the last 6 months.
:)</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Paul</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [council] [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: ICANN's US jurisdiction<br>
From: Rubens Kuhl <<a href="mailto:rubensk@xxxxxx";>rubensk@xxxxxx</a>><br>
Date: Sat, November 12, 2016 9:59 pm<br>
To: McGrady Paul <<a
href="mailto:policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
Cc: "James M. Bladel" <<a
href="mailto:jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx";>jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>>, GNSO
Council List<br>
<<a href="mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
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<div class=""><br class=""></div>Paul, <div class=""><br
class=""></div><div class="">I'm a very distant observer in CCWG-Acct list but
I still believe there is latitude that WS1 allowed for WS2-Jurisdiction for
discussing the jurisdiction of ICANN contractual framework like the RAs and
RAAs, even though not the jurisdiction of ICANN itself, or PTI for that matter.
And that is a jurisdiction question that is keen to all GNSO groups: contracted
parties would like to have clearer jurisdiction definitions in their contracts,
while others would like to see more privacy-savvy jurisdictions in there so
there is more data protection to registrants, while others might prefer as they
are, based on a jurisdiction that is not much privacy-oriented, so they have
more access to registration data... </div><div class=""><br
class=""></div><div class="">.. as for reopening ICANN's own jurisdiction, I
have a peace pipe solution which is to change ICANN's jurisdiction to the one
where the last ICANN meeting occurred, so every 4 months we have a new one and
nobody gets jealous of it because it will it not endure. Can we now move to the
the contractual framework jurisdiction discussion ? ;-)</div><div class=""><br
class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Rubens</div><div
class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br
class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br
class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite"
class=""><div class="">On Nov 11, 2016, at 11:54 AM, <a target="_blank"
href="mailto:policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; class="">policy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>
wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><span
style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal;
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class=""><div class="">Thanks James. Great seeing you and everyone else
this past week. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Just
an FYI for those not participating in WS2-Jurisdiction, this ICANNxit idea has
been pushed very hard by Parminder and others on the list. As we all
know, the accountability reforms of WS1 are all predicated on California law,
so this idea seems outside of the scope of WS2 since WS2 wasn't meant to
dismantle WS1. Further complicating things, there is now a crowd in
WS2-Jurisdiction pushing for the idea that ICANN should be "immune" from the
courts; essentially the opposite of accountability. </div><div
class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now for the commentary: I hope
that if either of these bad ideas make their way into the final reports
(however unlikely that such would occur), that the GNSO at least would stand in
the way of adoption -- even if such a stand were against the tide of ICANN
orthodoxy prevalent at the moment of voting.</div><div class=""><br
class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Best,</div><div
class="">Paul</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br
class=""></div><blockquote id="replyBlockquote" webmail="1"
style="border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color:
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--------<br class="">Subject: [council] FW: [CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: ICANN's US
jurisdiction<br class="">From: "James M. Bladel" <<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class="">jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br class="">Date: Wed,
November 09, 2016 3:08 am<br class="">To: GNSO Council List <<a
target="_blank" href="mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class="">council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br
class=""><br class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page:
WordSection1;"><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;
line-height: normal; font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color:
windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;"
class="">Council colleagues –<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;
font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p
class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman';
color: windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;"
class="">See below for a statement published on the CCWG-ACCT mailing list.<o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div><div class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin:
0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New
Roman'; color: windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
Calibri;" class="">Thank you,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;
font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">J.</span><span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""><o:p
class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman';
color: windowtext;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;"
class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="border-style: solid
none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt;
padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in
0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman';
color: windowtext;"><b class=""><span style="font-family: Calibri;"
class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b><span
style="font-family: Calibri;" class=""><<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxx"; style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="">accountability-cross-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxx</a>> on behalf of
parminder <<a target="_blank" href="mailto:parminder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="">parminder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br class=""><b class="">Date:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, November 9, 2016 at
7:31<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b
class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>CCWG
Accountability <<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@xxxxxxxxx"; style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;"
class="">accountability-cross-community@xxxxxxxxx</a>><br class=""><b
class="">Subject:<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[CCWG-ACCT] Fwd: ICANN's US
jurisdiction<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div
class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;
font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><span style="font-family:
Verdana;" class="">All</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><span
style="font-family: Verdana;" class="">I thought this may be relevant to those
on this list. Regard, parminder</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div
class=""><div class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height:
normal; font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color:
windowtext;"><br class=""><br class="">-------- Forwarded Message --------<span
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class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;
font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;">ICANN's US
jurisdiction<o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td nowrap=""
valign="top" style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal"
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class=""></o:p></b></div></td><td style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div
class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;
font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;">Wed, 9 Nov
2016 07:23:40 +0530<o:p class=""></o:p></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td
nowrap="" valign="top" style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal"
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font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; text-align:
right;"><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></b></div></td><td style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div
class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;
font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color:
windowtext;">parminder<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
target="_blank" href="mailto:parminder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class=""><parminder@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></a><o:p
class=""></o:p></div></td></tr><tr class=""><td nowrap="" valign="top"
style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div class="MsoNormal" align="right"
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size:12pt;;
font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext; text-align: right;"><b
class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p
class=""></o:p></b></div></td><td style="padding: 0in;" class=""><div
class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal;
font-size:12pt;; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><a
target="_blank" href="mailto:governance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class="">governance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank"
href="mailto:governance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;"
class=""><governance@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></a>, BestBitsList<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a target="_blank"
href="mailto:bestbits@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class=""><bestbits@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></a>,
Forum@Justnetcoalition. Org<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
target="_blank" href="mailto:forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;"
class=""><forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx></a><o:p
class=""></o:p></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="MsoNormal"
style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size:12pt;;
font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: windowtext;"><br class=""><br
class="">All<br class=""><br class="">As you know, the issue of jurisdiction of
ICANN is under consideration at ICANN's community process (in the
accountability track where there is a sub group discussing this issue). ICANN
is currently meeting in Hyderabad, India, from 3rd to 9th November.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Today, on
the last day of ICANN's Hyderabad meeting, the enclosed statement was issued by
key Indian civil society organisations engaged with Internet governance issues,
supported by two key global networks involved in this area. The statement
expresses the urgent need for transiting ICANN from being under the
jurisdiction of one country, presenting the rationale of why this is important
to do. It also lists some possible options of doing so, towards beginning a
serious action-oriented deliberation on this very important matter. Unlike what
is often understood, the jurisdiction issue is not just a matter of sovereign
prestige and self respect of the states but concerns vital matters impacting
people's rights. This is especially so as the society gets more and more
digitised in all areas.<br class=""><br class="">We welcome comments and
feedback.<br class=""><br class="">The statement has been issued by the
following Indian civil society organisations.<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div
class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left:
0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height:
38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank"
href="http://cis-india.org/"; style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height:
19.200000762939453px;" class="">Centre for Internet and
Society</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, Bangalore<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span
style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;"
class=""><a target="_blank" href="http://www.itforchange.net/"; style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB"
style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">IT for
Change</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, Bangalore<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span
style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;"
class=""><a target="_blank"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Software_Movement_of_India";
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB"
style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Free
Software Movement of India</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">,
Hyderabad<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span
style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;"
class=""><a target="_blank" href="http://www.knowledgecommons.in/";
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB"
style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Society
for Knowledge Commons</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, New
Delhi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right:
0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height:
19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u
class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px;
color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank" href="http://defindia.org/";
style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB"
style="font-size: 12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Digital
Empowerment Foundation</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, New
Delhi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right:
0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height:
19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u
class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px;
color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank"
href="http://www.delhiscienceforum.net/"; style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height:
19.200000762939453px;" class="">Delhi Science Forum</span></a></span></u><span
lang="EN-GB" class="">, New Delhi</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div
class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left:
0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman';"><u class=""><span lang="EN-GB" class="">Software Freedom Law
Center India</span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, New Delhi</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><u class=""><span
style="font-size: 24pt; line-height: 38.400001525878906px; color: navy;"
class=""><a target="_blank" href="https://twnetwork.org/"; style="color: purple;
text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:
12pt; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;" class="">Third World Network -
India</span></a></span></u><span lang="EN-GB" class="">, New Delhi</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><o:p
class=""> </o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">It is supported by the
following global networks:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western"
style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in;
line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height:
38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank"
href="https://www.apc.org/"; style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"
class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height:
19.200000762939453px;" class="">Association For Progressive
Communications</span></a></span></u><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div
class="western" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left:
0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times
New Roman';"><u class=""><span style="font-size: 24pt; line-height:
38.400001525878906px; color: navy;" class=""><a target="_blank"
href="http://justnetcoalition.org/"; style="color: purple; text-decoration:
underline;" class=""><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size: 12pt; line-height:
19.200000762939453px;" class="">Just Net Coalition<span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class=""></span></a></span></u><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="western"
style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in;
line-height: 19.200000762939453px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';"><a target="_blank" href="http://justnetcoalition.org/"; style="color:
purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><br class=""></a><span
style="font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: 21.600000381469727px;" class="">We will
soon expand this effort to enlist more global support.</span><o:p
class=""></o:p></div><div class="western" style="margin-right: 0in;
margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; margin-left: 0in; line-height: 19.200000762939453px;
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"><span style="font-size:
13.5pt; line-height: 21.600000381469727px;" class="">Best,
Parminder</span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></span></div></blockquote></div><br
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