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Re: [council] Attendance list and mp3 GNSO Review WP 12 April 2016 at 17:30 UTC

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Thank you, Terri.  And special thanks for all on the GNSO Work Party, GNSO 
Council and others who were able to attend this session. And Staff, of course, 
for putting this together on short notice.

As we discussed during our sessions in Marrakech, this is a huge unit of work, 
with a substantial volume of supporting materials.  And while all volunteers 
are strapped for time, this is especially true for Councilors.

However, if I could draw your attention to the first attachment (slides, 
attached again for your convenience), and in particular slides #4-15.  These 
are the slides that outline the categories of Recommendations, their 
feasibility & priority as determined by the GNSO Work Party, along with 
comments.

If folks could take a look at these in advance of our call on Thursday, that 
would be a huge help in prepping for our meeting.

Thank you--

J.


From: <owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> on 
behalf of Terri Agnew <terri.agnew@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:terri.agnew@xxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Tuesday, April 12, 2016 at 20:48
To: GNSO Council List <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Cc: "'gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:'gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx>'" 
<gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso-secs@xxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: [council] Attendance list and mp3 GNSO Review WP 12 April 2016 at 
17:30 UTC

Dear all,

Please find attendance attached along with the slides. The mp3, Adobe Connect 
recording and AC chat are listed below for the GNSO Review Working Party call 
that briefed the Council and other interested members of the SG/Cs on final 
recommendations issued by the independent examiner as the result of the 
independent review of the GNSOheld on Tuesday, 12 April 2016 at 17:30 UTC.


MP3: 
http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-review-12apr16-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03Zqpss3NLZE95JH09Gy3xw6YWw-2F1CfYDsyUUA4q-2F8nU2aumTw-3D-3D_nEX-2FaOijqgcJlSz5SkmueJu3tRbmaDiuX89gT35tStEeSHP9whdoceObpMxYsFLQddiMZpQjIv8dk6BsBGSJXH7VWN4SGLCJgbGKCk6E-2FTErjF4OKNQt65Dk9NF54IJ9kQpmDNySj7bbNz9G4dXi5BgbCZotTx8KNfyeB0z00f8KsMfETeTNKd7vy2kKI7tttQUIwid4NAhxXgT3nZYwmv7nUH7TppPJZ2eNZ8IiIu2GeZvYzhoqTMObpEM1Gt0GuY1cvhAXXckKbpDzNEEY-2BrQ0PLt7Lq0E40jqHMPui9fG1rzFLTDGdjczZtMdCyTcspWBEdEyjj-2BuH7bZTC2wWRU9rtNDbDfyG4AlfDbmiRuoRkzgGaS8S4dxHmzJ0srLxrXhhWxRWHfufC9pHtJqSskQ5ihZ-2BQ9C1vLCMYVNbvDJTf0Nyy-2FgOeg392G2dez49-2FdQ2KHuwfQykCKjFIkiRp3Fhus6PMrOaRCIh7ZKrYol8SKk-2BAT576OFt5Bn30mf>
Adobe Connect recording:   
https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p3ilqfh733i/<https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p3ilqfh733i/?OWASP_CSRFTOKEN=50bf586afd7a611706789c0d4fa3ac00d9c0b9892859ca834a58d50317676791>


Thank you,

Terri


AC Chat :

  Terri Agnew:Welcome to the GNSO Review Working Party call that will brief the 
Council and other interested members of the SG/Cs on final recommendations 
issued by the independent examiner as the result of the independent review of 
the GNSO held on Tuesday, 12 April 2016.

  Amr Elsadr:Hi all. Waiting for a dial-out.

  Rudi Vansnick:hi everyone

  Jennifer Gore:Hello

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Hello everyone.  Just listening and observing today.

  Susan Payne:hi i'm a bit late joining.  who is speaking please is it Larisa?

  Amr Elsadr:Yes. That's Larisa.

  Susan Payne:thanks

  Philip Corwin:Hello all. Have been on audio line since the start.

  Amr Elsadr:Maybe noteworthy that the working party reviewed the 
recommendations against the rationale for each recommendation in Westlake's 
final report.

  Denise Michel:sorry. audio problems

  Denise Michel:yes

  Terri Agnew:@Denise, I have sent you a private AC chat

  Denise Michel:i'm on phone now

  Rudi Vansnick:it would also absorb a lot of resources to handle such analysis

  Rudi Vansnick:needs to be looked at cross-community wise

  Donna Austin, Neustar:There is a considerable amount of data being collected 
to inform the CCT-RT that could serve as a baseline for future collection. I'm 
not sure this is a GNSO task to collect, but perhaps should have access to such 
information when considering new policy efforts etc.

  Rudi Vansnick:what priority should it get ?

  Amr Elsadr:@WUK: Would be happy to help, if you like.

  Chuck Gomes:@ Denise: It would be helpful if you sent your suggestion 
regarding rewording.

  Denise Michel:@ sure

  Wolf-Ulrich Knoben:which email list we should use?

  Denise Michel:@ chuck - sure will send

  Marika Konings:@Jenn - no concerns, but as the motion was seconded by Amr, he 
would need to sign off on it as well (although technically it doesn't change 
the motion, but the document referenced in the motion)

  Amr Elsadr:When rewording rec#21, might be worthwhile to check if what folks 
are looking for haven't already been covered here: 
https://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/dmpm-final-09oct15-en.pdf

  Amr Elsadr:@Denise: I believe the NCSG actually makes it a point to not ask 
for the age or gender of its members.

  Rudi Vansnick:it certainly is ;-)

  Larisa Gurnick:Rec #6 touches on diversity

  Rudi Vansnick:age is important

  Amr Elsadr:Some may not appreciate being asked to identify with pre-set 
options on gender.

  Marika Konings:It is not collected as part of the SOI either - not sure if it 
would create any privacy concerns?

  Marika Konings:although the secretariat does collect information on location 
/ timezone to faciliate scheduling of calls

  Mary Wong:Especially as SOIs are publicly available and published.

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:+1 Amr

  Amr Elsadr:FYI: The summary of comment for Westlake at ICANN 53 prepped by 
staff can be found here: 
https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-gnso-review-01jun15/msg00002.html

  Chuck Gomes:Please size table so priorities show.

  Amr Elsadr:Also difficult to determine what the diversity of the Internet as 
a whole is. :)

  Larisa Gurnick:@Denise - Working Party and staff are discussing what a 
desired outcome would be and what data points are needed.  That aspect would 
make the recommendation implementation feasible and useful

  Johan (Julf) Helsingius - GNSO NCPH NCA:And is this something for GNSO, or 
the board?

  Chuck Gomes:@ Denise: Would you recommend making this a red?

  Amr Elsadr:Are there any thoughts on the alternative language to this 
recommendation suggested by the working party?

  Amr Elsadr:But as Denise says, a WG may not be the best option right now.

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:How would the data be stored?  Under what privacy policy?  
Why would we put together a WG that reflects the current users of the Internet 
if the goal is to increase involvement from those not currently using it?  What 
is the actual relationship between GNSO participation and access to use of the 
Internet?

  Amr Elsadr:@Paul: :)

  Susan Payne:@Amr I think the revised language is preferable to the original 
recommendation.  But agree with Denise about concerns on setting another WG

  Amr Elsadr:@Susan: Same here.

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:For example, this call is in English.

  Susan Payne:yep - and at a time that is not terribly user-friendly for those 
in Asia

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:@Susan,, +1  We can collect personal data all day, but if 
the systems in place discourage diverse participation, all we did was collect 
data and publish it in English...

  Philip Corwin:I share Paul's concern. While we should strive for WGs to be 
diverse, I wouldn't want to see years of work rejected by Board based on 
something other than the quality of the report and recommendations.

  Denise Michel:I have to drop-off. Thanks Jen, Larisa and everyone for an 
informative call

  Larisa Gurnick:Thanks for participating, Denise

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:Shouldn't this one be Priority High?

  Susan Payne:@Paul - I would say this is high priority.  Feedback to the 
review was that this isn't being done wasn't it

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:Thanks!

  Amr Elsadr:@Paul: regarding priority, also, this is largely being done, and 
not too many applications for new consituencies.

  Marika Konings:For the record, the GAC has considered this on various 
occassions but always responded that no one is able to represent the GAC, apart 
from the Chair, but I guess it doesn't hurt to ask again ;-)

  Donna Austin, Neustar:@Marikia, I doubt that the GAC will ever move away from 
the premise that no-one is able to represent the GAC, but perhaps they could 
come to understand that providing a Liaison does not mean representing or 
advocating positions. I think the use of 'non-binding, non-voting liaison' is 
important.

  Amr Elsadr:Due process here means pretty much the PDP manual/WG 
Guidelines/bylaws etc.

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:@Chuck.  Thanks for the clarity.

  Amr Elsadr:@Paul: From the Westlake study, there seemed to be some concern 
that the Council acts as a legislative sort of body instead of a process 
manager.

  Amr Elsadr:..., which as far as I can tell, is not the case.

  Marika Konings:Thanks, Donna - the Consultation Group did touch upon that 
point, but there still seemed to be a lot of sensitivity in relation to the 
concept. However, we have definitely seen an increase in individual GAC members 
participating in PDP WG efforts and the other mechanisms that have been 
developed by the CG are also intended to facilitate early engagement and 
participation in the process.

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:Same questions for Recommendation 6 - what privacy policy, 
where will the data be stored, etc?

  Marika Konings:but as said, it never hurts to ask again :-)

  Amr Elsadr:A lot of this data is publicly archived, along with WG call 
attendance stats and others.

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:How was this done in the last GNSO review?  Working group? 
 Or was it done at the Council level?  (Too long ago for me to remember)

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:Sorry for not knowing.  The PPSAI pushed out most of my 
extra brain cells.

  James Bladel:I recall several "steering committees" to implement the 
recommendations.

  Marika Konings:and work teams

  Mary Wong:Yes, there was a group that also formed work teams

  James Bladel:@Chuck - How do you mean?  Relay the comments from the work 
party to the Council?

  James Bladel:Beyond the report itself, and the motion, I don't know that 
other materials are being presented on Thursday's call.

  Chuck Gomes:@ James: No, i mean relay the comments from this call to the 
Council.

  James Bladel:Ok, sorry for misunderstanding.  Will ask that we distribute 
these slides and the chat transcripts to the Council list.

  Chuck Gomes:In addition, I suggest that the specific recommendations made 
regarding priorities and categories be mentioned.

  James Bladel:Ok. That might require a friendly amendment to Wofl-Ulrich's 
mostion.

  Chuck Gomes:10 minutes; good luck.

  Terri Agnew:Slides, transcript and AC recording will be sent to council

  James Bladel:Thank you, Terri.

  Philip Corwin:No questions from me right now. Very useful briefing.

  Rinalia Abdul Rahim:Excellent discussion.  Thank you!

  PAUL MCGRADY - IPC:Great call!  Thanks!

  Amr Elsadr:Thanks all. Bye.

  James Bladel:Thanks, Jen & Larissa.

  Johan (Julf) Helsingius - GNSO NCPH NCA:Thanks!

Attachment: 12.4.2 GNSO Review - Briefing to Council [1].pdf
Description: 12.4.2 GNSO Review - Briefing to Council [1].pdf



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