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Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair

  • To: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>, John Berard <johnberard@xxxxxxx>, "jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "avri@xxxxxxx" <avri@xxxxxxx>, "vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
  • From: Mary Wong <mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 09:44:35 -0700
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Hi James and everyone ­ as they stand currently, the GNSO Operating
Procedures specify that an individual Councilor must provide an explanation
for an abstention on a vote, and may do so for either a Yes or No vote. Any
such explanation has to be recorded in the minutes of that meeting, and
draft minutes are to be produced within 8 days of a meeting. Following the
Chair and Vice-Chairs¹ initial vetting of the draft, Councilors may then
approve or object to the minutes prior to their posting.

I hope this helps.

Cheers
Mary

Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4892
Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx

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From:  "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:  Friday, May 16, 2014 at 11:40 AM
To:  John Berard <johnberard@xxxxxxx>, "jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx"
<jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "avri@xxxxxxx" <avri@xxxxxxx>,
"vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject:  Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair

> I tend to agree with John on this point, seeing as this is so far after the
> fact.
> 
> But going forward (and I realize that time was short on this issue),  perhaps
> we could have given a few days to pen a ³minority statement² on this (or any)
> motion. What are the rules & procedures around this.
> 
> Thanks?
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> From: John Berard <johnberard@xxxxxxx>
> Date: Friday, May 16, 2014 at 9:01
> To: "jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx" <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "avri@xxxxxxx"
> <avri@xxxxxxx>, "vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, GNSO
> Council List <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
> 
> Jonathan, et. al.,
> 
> I think such a letter is a bad idea.  No one is barred from speaking, either
> individually or with the full-force of their constituency, but the vote ought
> to be the sole and unified voice of the Council.
> 
> Berard
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: 'Avri Doria' <avri@xxxxxxx>; 'Volker Greimann'
> <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; council <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 6:31 am
> Subject: RE: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
> 
> 
> Avri / Volker,
> 
> Would you like me to write a short letter to the NGPC (which will then
> become part of the formal record) indicating the voting?
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri@xxxxxxx <mailto:avri@xxxxxxx?> ]
> Sent: 16 May 2014 14:00
> To: jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Volker Greimann'; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
> 
> Hi
> 
> 
> 'motion passed by majority'
> 
> is  'a bare fact'
> 
> Please do not indicate that this is requesting a spin.
> 
> thank you
> 
> avri
> 
> On 16-May-14 08:55, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>> > Thanks Avri & Volker,
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > Good points and I¹ll work with you to remedy in this case if possible
>> > and ensure that it is dealt with in future.
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > I was sensitive to the point, but when expressing it in words in a
>> > draft of the letter, it felt to me as if I was putting a spin on it so
>> > I backed off and reported the bare facts.
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > Note that, with this issue in mind, was the reason I referred the
>> > reader to the fact that a full discussion had taken place and that a
>> > record of that was available.
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > ³Full records of the discussions and the detail of the issues raised
>> > therein are available to the NGPC, or other interested parties,
>> > through mail archives, meeting recordings and transcripts.²
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > Not quite as clear as you may have liked I do understand but I was
>> > aware of the subtleties and sensitivities here and attempted to reflect
> them.
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > Jonathan
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > *From:*Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?> ]
>> > *Sent:* 16 May 2014 12:56
>> > *To:* Avri Doria; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
>> > Agreed. We should make it a point to clearly deliniate the votes in
>> > each communication to the board in the future, i.e. not only include
>> > the complete voting record, but also who voted how.
>> > 
>> > In some cases, we may also want to allow the dissenting groups to
>> > include a dissenting opinion with the submission of the motion.
>> > 
>> > Volker
>> > 
>> > Am 16.05.2014 13:44, schrieb Avri Doria:
>> > 
>> >     Hi,
>> > 
>> >     BTW I m glad Alan brought this up.  At the time I was displeased
>> >     that the letter did not give the vote count, but was distracted and
>> >     did not say anything at the time.
>> > 
>> >     It allows the reader to assume that it was passed by a large margin,
>> >     or even super majority as most things sent by the council, as
>> >     opposed to having the barest of majorities.
>> > 
>> >     I think the letter should have given the full results.
>> > 
>> >     It is my fault as well, as I should have made a statement when I
>> >     voted against this.   A mistake I will try to avoid in the future.
>> > 
>> >     I still this this is a sad day for the GNSO.
>> > 
>> >     avri
>> > 
>> >     On 16-May-14 05:02, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>> > 
>> >         Thanks Glen and well-spotted Alan.
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         Correct, the body of the letter contains the correct
>> > resolution but the link
>> > 
>> >         is to the (original) motion.
>> > 
>> >         I thought the motion would be changed / updated to that which was
> voted on.
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         I'll talk with Glen and we'll get it fixed by one route or
> another.
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         Jonathan
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         -----Original Message-----
>> > 
>> >         From: Glen de Saint Géry [mailto:Glen@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:Glen@xxxxxxxxx?> ]
>> > 
>> >         Sent: 16 May 2014 09:33
>> > 
>> >         To: Alan Greenberg; jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx?> >;
>> council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?> >
>> > 
>> >         Cc: Glen de Saint Géry
>> > 
>> >         Subject: RE: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         Alan and Jonathan,
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         If you like, I will ask Web admin to fix the link, if they
>> > can, by changing
>> > 
>> >         it from the motions page to the resolutions page?
>> > 
>> >         http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/resolutions#201405
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         Thanks,
>> > 
>> >         Glen
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         -----Message d'origine-----
>> > 
>> >         De : owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?>
>> > 
>> > [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?>
>> ] De
>> > 
>> >         la part de Alan Greenberg Envoyé : vendredi 16 mai 2014 06:31 À :
>> > 
>> >         jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx?> >;
> council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx?> > Objet : Re: [council]
> Re:
>> > 
>> >         Letter from the NGPC Chair
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         Jonathan, the letter was published by ICANN today, and I
>> > noticed a small
>> > 
>> >         error. The letter includes a link described as "The full text
>> > of the motion
>> > 
>> >         passed is available here". The link, however, points to the
>> > Motions page on
>> > 
>> >         the Wiki which is the original motion going into the meeting
>> > and not the
>> > 
>> >         final version.
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         The version appended to the text of the letter is the correct
>> > one, so the
>> > 
>> >         impact of the error is likely to be small.
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         Alan
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >         At 09/05/2014 05:29 AM, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>> > 
>> >             All,
>> > 
>> >              
>> > 
>> >             FYI. Please see attached for letter sent to the NGPC today.
>> > 
>> >              
>> > 
>> >             Jonathan
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >          
>> > 
>> >      
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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>> > 
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>> > 
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>> > 
>> >  
>> > 
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