As someone who missed the call – THANK YOU!
J.
From: Mike O'Connor <mike@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Thursday, February 27, 2014 at 10:33
To: GNSO Council List <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: [council] Notes from today's GNSO Council call
hi all,
as many of you know, i’m an obsessive note-taker in meetings. i thought
i would share my notes from the call this morning with this list and ask
you to let me know if you would like me to continue sending them to this
list as well. these are mostly for me, and my ISPCP colleagues (so pay
no attention to the action-items, those are mostly for me). feel free
to sing out if you find these annoying or unhelpful. these are NOT
official minutes, just personal notes of one member.
disclaimer — these are my notes and may contain errors of fact or
understanding. if something in here makes you unhappy, check with me or
the person before taking extreme action. :-)
also note that item 6 and item 4 were reversed on the agenda, which is
why these notes are not in strictest numeric sequence.
mikey
Council call - 27-Feb 2014
*
+ - Item 1: Administrative matters (10 mins)
o 1.1 Roll Call
o + - 1.2 Statement of interest updates
+ Maria Farrell
+ ~ https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI
<https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI>
o 1.3 Review/amend agenda
o + - 1.4. Note the status of minutes for the previous Council
meeting per the GNSO Operating Procedures:
+ Minutes of the GNSO Council meetings 23 January 2014 were
posted as approved on 17 February 2014.
+ - Item 2: Opening Remarks / Review of Projects & Action List (10
mins)
o Review focus areas and provide updates on specific key themes /
topics
o Include review of Projects List and Action List.
o + - Comments or questions arising.
+ Action: note a diary entry to review the list prior to each
meeting - and forward to the ISPCP list
Item 3: Consent agenda (0 mins)
+ - Item 4: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – GNSO Engagement with the work of
the ICANN Strategy Panels (15 mins)
o
+ - Here the Council will receive an update on any relevant
interaction with and output from the strategy panels and discuss
any appropriate action going forward.
+ +- Update:
#
+- Strat Panels are out for comment
* ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment >
Strategy-panels-25feb14-en
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/strategy-panels-25feb14-en.htm>
* ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements >
Announcement-2-25feb14-en
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-25feb14-en.htm>
Fadi's recent update to AC/SO chairs -- on role panels
and their role in the strategy process -- concern about
top-down was discussed
+- MSI panel --
*
+- 16 proposals (here's a link to my little matrix
of the proposals -- arrayed by Goal <--> Tool and
Participation <--> Policy)
o ~ haven2.com > Wp-content > Uploads > 2007 > 07
> PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5
<http://www.haven2.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5.jpg>
+- Jonathan has reached out -- got off to a bit of a
slow start -- but meetings 2 weeks ago and yesterday
o
+- flag waving - we're the Council and the GNSO
- your work feels as though it overlaps our
remit - so we are very tuned to you work
+ Novak offered to do some kind of interview
-- Jonathan was uncomfortable
+- Yesterday's meeting
+
working toward a meeting with 1/2 members of
the staff (govLab) people in singapore
opportunity to home in on a subset of the
recommendations that are more closely
related to the policy work of the GNSO
+- 2 issues
o +- "top down" concern
+ Jonathan: best aimed at Fadi not the MSI panel
+ +- Discussion
# +- Berard
*
+- "this is something we need to talk about"
reenforces the "executivification" of ICANN -- it's
really hard for a part time person to stay above the
raging water -- the community is becoming more
professional -- this is driving some of our
community members mad -- the more we can do to
foster discussion at the broadest level in the
community, the better
o Jonathan shares concern over the raging water
o Jonathan emphasises distinction between MSI
content and MSI chartering
# +- Amr
*
+- commisioning is very top down -- there is a lot
of work going on -- that's where the changes would
have to be reviewed
o
doesn't feel quite as concerned as others are
+- Jonathan - we have the opportunity to engage
-- maybe a written response to the panel from
the council
+ reaction to their work AND
+ work that the GNSO is doing
# +- Stoll
*
+- we need to inform them to alert them to overlaps
AND we need to inform administration of concerns
directly
o comments seem to go into a black hole
o be careful in the engagement
# +- Chiao
*
volunteers -- substantial proportion of cycles going
to IG issue
registries -- implementation requirements,
additional load of IG work -- overloaded is not just
limited to volunteers in non-contracted parties.
Ry's and Rr's are struggling to keep up with
implementation requirements in addition to
policy-making and IG discussion. Very hard,
especially for smaller registries.
+- ICANN is now representing all of our voices --
will people outside of ICANN have a chance to talk
with the community directly? Is ICANN trying to
represent us, rather than letting that conversation
take place directly?
o maybe it's time for constituencies to step out
# +- Greimann
*
topics are very worthwhile -- also helpful to have
an outside voice -- however i think this effort
should have come in the ICANN way -- thus they have
a bit of a birth defect because of the way they were
launched -- we shouldn't be deferential, give
advice, should be seen as comparable to the GAC
# +- Greenberg
*
MSI - remember they were put in place to comment on
the *whole* MS model, not just GNSO -- their remit
is broader - they were asked to suggest changes -
informed process -- they DID suggest changes and we
need to embrace/refine their suggestions without
appearing defensive
+ +- Followup
# Jonathan will follow up with Theresa about how we can
best interact with these panels
+ - Item 5: UPDATE – PDP Working Group on Translation &
Transliteration of Contact Information (10 mins)
o
The GNSO Council recently initiated a Policy Development Process
(PDP) on the Translation and Transliteration of Contact
Information. As part of its efforts to obtain broad input from
the ICANN Community at an early stage of its deliberations, the
Working Group has requested input from the Supporting
Organizations (including the GNSO) and Advisory Committees on
several questions relating to the issues identified in the PDP
Final Issue Report.
+ - 5.1 – Update (Ching Chiao)
+ presented by Chris Dillon - cochair
+ +- request for input - deadline is tomorrow
# https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag
+ - 5.2 – Discussion
+ +- Chiao - thanks Chris, encourages comments from
constituencies
# Action: remind ISPCP of need for input
5.3 – Next steps
+ - Item 6: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – International Internet Governance
Issues (20 mins)
o
Discussions and activity relating to international Internet
Governance issues are attracting a great deal of attention in
ICANN and related groups. This item is on the agenda to provide
an opportunity for discussion within the Council about how this
impacts the role and work of the Council and mindful of the
scope and remit of the Council, what action the Council should
or could be taking.
+ - 4.1 – Status update (Sally Costerton)
+ Jonathan: what should be focusing on at Council
+ +- Sally:
# +- several streams around IG
* +- Background
o
+- Buenos Aires - became clear that profile of
IG was increasing - triggered by Snowden issue
+ the rest of the world had "woken up"
+ resurfaced WCIT issues
very full IG calendar in 2014
Fadi's view - sense that there is frustration
over how hard IG issues are to resolve
ITU - march toward their meeting late in the
year -- debate around whether they're going to
change their remit
if we don't participate others will do it for us
* +- 1Net
o
discussion forum where debate is taking place in
great detail
now has a steering committee
+- web forum is up and running -- discussion is
migrating that direction -- much easier to
follow than the overwhelming traffic on the
email list
+ ~ https://forum.1net.org/
<https://forum.1net.org/>
* +- CCWG
o discuss and collect input
o meeting weekly
o goal: position by the end of March
o +- email archive
+
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ccwg-internet-governance/
o +- web page
+
https://community.icann.org/display/CPMMB/ICANN+Community+Preparation+for+the+Multistakeholder+Meeting+in+Brazil+Home
* +- Hi Level Panel (5th panel)
o +- 3 f2f meetings
+ December
+ now
+ May
o there is to be a submission to the Brazil meeting
* +- NetMundial
o goal: HOW to decide, not decide
o submissions of principle and framework
o late April, just after Easter
o hosted by Brazilian govt
o 4 cochairs
o Hi level committee -- just met this week --
goal: good attention/attendance by governments
o deadline for registration is tomorrow (28-Feb)
o +- registration web page
+ ~ content.netmundial.br > Interests >
Expression
<http://content.netmundial.br/interests/expression>
o +- overall web page
+ ~ netmundial.br <http://netmundial.br/>
* +- Singapore
o NCSG event -- starts at 10am, Friday before
meeting, 10:00 - 18:00, followed by reception
w/Fadi
o Several events during the ICANN meetings
+ - 4.2 – Discussion
+ +- Berard;
#
+- ccNSO: categories of participation in NetMudial
meetingdon't make room for ccTLD managers -- is this a
metaphor for the way that IG discussions aren't leaving
room for individual members of ICANN
* +- tactical - ccNSO members?
o open registration meeting - everybody is welcome
- first come first served attendance
o strongly encourage participation
+- Snowden revelations provide excellent cover for
political intent -- what is Fadi's public position on this?
*
Maria Farrell: John - the Montevideo statement sets
out pretty clearly the concern re. pervasive
monitoring and Internet stewardship. Fadi signed it
for ICANN so I think it's fair to say he sees a
link. Even if some use the Snowden revelations
tactically, the fact remains that many have lost
faith in the impartiality of the USG.
+- Costerton: get asked questions about
globalization of ICANN and Snowden - we don't have a
particular view - realization within the US govt
that structures may need to change
o need to reenforce other voices at the table
+- Richard Clark transcript -- the two issues are as far
apart as one could find
*
~ windowsitpro.com > Identity-management >
Richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering
<http://windowsitpro.com/identity-management/richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering>
+ +- Farrell
#
+- Board resolution on globalization - disquite on lack
of consultation, yet more CEO appointed panels, a lot of
CEO-led activity going on. concern about Council role
in this ad hoc series of actions by administration
*
+- Board chair saw a lot of email on this -- perhaps
the 1net list?
o
~ Marika Konings: Please note that this is the
email from Steve Crocker that Sally was
referring to:
http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html
<http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html>
Costerton; with her engagement hat on -- groups are
to facilitate the discussion that you have described
Maria -- they will be in Singapore and given a
public block - Council needs to know that their role
is to act as facilitator
+- Avri would very much have liked to participate
the process of setting this up - post is coming to
the list
o Action: watch for that post
+ +- Cake:
# +- is there anything that the Council or SGs should do?
* reach out to communities and encourage them to
participate in Netmundial
* +- take a look at the BCG report
o ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements >
Announcement-24jan14-en
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-24jan14-en.htm>
+ +- Chiao
#
congratulates Costerton on ASIAPAC engagement -- AsiaPAC
members would like to be more engaged with the actual
meetings, not just talking to people in the region,
bring people to the meeting table and actually contribute
4.3 – Next steps
+ - Item 7: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – GAC Engagement – the work of the
Joint GAC / GNSO Consultation Group (15 mins)
o Here the Council will receive an update and discuss any action
going forward.
o + - 7.1 – Status update
+ +- Amr:
# +- Reviewed charter --
*
http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/attachments/20140212/c6e3f7b6/GAC-GNSO-final-0001.pdf
# Two work streams - PDP early engagement and day to day
interaction
o + - 7.2 – Discussion
+ +- Mikey
# Charter is done, proposals are in progress
o 7.3 – Next steps
+ - Item 8: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – Forthcoming review of the GNSO (10
mins)
o
As part of a periodic review process that is built into the
ICANN model, ICANN board initiated reviews of the GNSO (and the
GNSO Council and related functions) are expected. In order to
be informed and effectively prepared for this work, we have
begun to engage with the body that commissions such reviews (the
structural improvements committee) through its chair, Ray Plazk.
The Council will track the planning work of the SIC and, where
appropriate; provide relevant input to the process. We will
also prepare to undertake a form of self-review in a similar
format to that which we expect to arise out of the work of the
SIC. A self-review will ensure that we are not only prepared
for the board initiated work but also able to flag areas for
potential improvement in as timely as possible a manner.
+ - 8.1 – Update (Jennifer Wolfe)
+
there is no update since the last meeting -- still waiting
for an update from Ray
Jonathan: will there be a document prior to Singapore?
Marika: nothing expected to be published before Singapore
8.2 – Discussion
8.3 – Next steps
+ - Item 9: UPDATE & DISCUSSION – Planning for Singapore (15 mins)
o
Making the most out of the face-to-face meeting time available
at the ICANN Meeting in Buenos Aires will take planning. GNSO
Council Vice Chair, David Cake will lead this and will be
working with the Council and staff on this effort.
Here the Council has the opportunity to feed into plans and
provide input based on past experience. Included in this item
will be the opportunity to shape the approach to and substance
of the Council’s proposed meetings with other groups in such as
the CCNSO, the GAC and the ICANN board.
+ - 9.1 – Update (David Cake & Jonathan Robinson)
+ Cake: very much Draft,
9.2 – Discussion
+ - 9.3 – Next steps
+ Action: forward the draft schedule to the ISPCP list if it
hasn't been already -- DONE
+ - Item 10: Any Other Business (10 mins)
o + - Community budget requests
+ +- requests from the Council:
# Council development session,
# face-to-face PDP meetings (potential for facilitation),
# GAC GNSO reverse liaison (placeholder)
o + - ICANN Board Seat 14 – NCPH - additional Council meeting
Thursday, 10 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC
+ this is a placeholder for that meeting -- Glen to follow up
to the list -- rationale for meeting
o + - Note the Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC)
presence in Singapore
+ Action: schedule them with ISPCP on Tuesday?
+ Action: note public session to ISPCP list
o + - Meeting Strategy WG has draft out for comment
+ +- Action: forward to ISPCP list - DONE
# ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment >
Meetings-strategy-25feb14-en
<http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/meetings-strategy-25feb14-en.htm>
+ Action: comments from ISPCP? - DONE
o + - Amr: EWG process -- is Issue report the same as the EWG
final report?
+
Marika: important to separate the two. final report due
London, may be another round of public comment.
There is already an initial report underway -- EWG will feed
into that Issue Report, which will proceed to PDP because
it's Board initiated
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