Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures

[Thomas Rickert <rickert@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

All,
I am also in favour of option 1 and UTC.

Thomas


Am 30.04.2013 um 19:04 schrieb Petter Rindforth 
<petter.rindforth@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> Option 1 and UTC
>  
> seems to be the best solution of two that's not (and likely cannot be) 
> perfect for everyone.
>  
> Best,
> Petter
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> On 30 apr 2013 17:50 "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Right, so we seem to be settling on option 1, a fixed time zone.
>> Just need to settle on which - UTC or PST and then we can put it out for
>> standard comment.
>> 
>> I think UTC since so much of our communication still refers to this at 
>> least. 
>> Given our meetings are at variable times, it should be approximately fair 
>> overall. 
>> 
>> Jonathan 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
>> Sent: 30 April 2013 15:29 
>> To: Wendy Seltzer 
>> Cc: WUKnoben; jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx; 'Zahid Jamil'; 'Marika Konings'; 
>> council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures 
>> 
>> I agree, Option 2 would complicate things too much. I thought that for 
>> 24:00 where the sender is located might work too, but a tough deadline would 
>> be the clearer option. 
>> 
>> Volker
>>> 
>>> Hi, 
>>> 
>>> Since I proposed the reconfiguration to give people the clearest 
>>> notice of when motions were due, I'd recommend option 1. I recognize 
>>> that the amount of time wouldn't be quite the same from month to 
>>> month, but the deadline would be fixed. (I preferred 8 calendar days, 
>>> but 10 is a fine 
>>> compromise.) 
>>> 
>>> --Wendy 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 04/29/2013 03:02 PM, WUKnoben wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> We vary the meeting times to balance the incommodities as best as 
>>>> possible. I think its consequent to vary the motion deadlines with 
>>>> the meeting times, too (option #2). 
>>>> The deadlines can be published with the meeting calendar in addition 
>>>> to every single reminder. 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards 
>>>> 
>>>> Wolf-Ulrich 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- From: Jonathan Robinson 
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:31 PM 
>>>> To: 'Zahid Jamil' ; 'Volker Greimann' 
>>>> Cc: 'Wendy Seltzer' ; 'Marika Konings' ; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> Subject: RE: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> All, 
>>>> 
>>>> I'd like to close this off and move to posting it for public comment. 
>>>> 
>>>> My understanding is that we are agreed on 10 calendar days as this is 
>>>> global and meets what was originally intended. 
>>>> 
>>>> As far as a time-zone is concerned, we have two options: 
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Choose a fixed time zone in which the 23h59 cut-off occurs. There 
>>>> is no universally fair time zone to use for a global audience but UTC 
>>>> seems as close to a standard as we have. 
>>>> PST provides for a later sunset but is arguably less of a standard 
>>>> than UTC. 
>>>> 
>>>> OR 
>>>> 
>>>> 2. Agree that the cut-off is 10 calendar days (exactly) before the 
>>>> meeting occurs. This will mean that the time of the cut-off varies 
>>>> on a per meeting basis. 
>>>> This is probably most fair but could lead to confusion since it 
>>>> varies on a per meeting basis. 
>>>> Still, as long as the cut-off time is sent as part of the reminder in 
>>>> calling for motions, it seems reasonable. 
>>>> 
>>>> Any comments or inputs, please provide them ASAP before we move to 
>>>> public comment. 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jonathan 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Zahid Jamil 
>>>> Sent: 23 April 2013 14:47 
>>>> To: Volker Greimann 
>>>> Cc: Jonathan Robinson; Wendy Seltzer; Marika Konings; 
>>>> <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [council] Changes to GNSO Operating Procedures 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> How about using 23:59 PST as the deadline? 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards, 
>>>> 
>>>> Zahid Jamil 
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>>>> On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:45, Volker Greimann <vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>>>> wrote: 
>>>>> While I support this in general, I am not sure we really need such a
>>>> policy. The proposed language cuts the time available for bringing 
>>>> motions short for our American councillors compared to right now.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Volker 
>>>>>> I support Wendy's language. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> Sent from my iPad 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 23 Apr 2013, at 16:30, "Jonathan Robinson"
>>>> <jonathan.robinson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All, 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am in support of Wendy's wording (with a minor tweak) as follows: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Reports and motions should be submitted to the GNSO Council for 
>>>>>>> inclusion on the agenda as soon as possible, but no later than 
>>>>>>> 23:59 UTC on the day, 8 calendar days before the GNSO Council meeting. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any concerns or objections, please raise ASAP otherwise I suggest 
>>>>>>> we post for public comment.
>> 
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