RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.

["Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

The RyC has always opposed travel funding be restricted to Councilors and still 
holds that position.

>From a philosophical point of view, it is quite interesting how easy it is for 
>people to spend money contributed by others.  That is one of the reasons the 
>RyC supported the approach that each Constituency fund travel for itself 
>rather than using ICANN funds to subsidize it except in cases of demonstrated 
>need.  There is a clear motivation to be good stewards of our own funds that 
>sometimes is not so strong when using the funds that come from other sources.

I am not going to belabor this.

Chuck 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 6:33 AM
> To: Gomes, Chuck; avri@xxxxxxx; GNSO Council
> Subject: Re: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> 
> Hi Chuck,
> 
> I have to side with Avri on this one ;-) Sounds like doing 
> such historical digging is asking for a lot of work with no 
> clear purpose.
> The only question we should be asking ourselves, IMO, is the 
> one Avri asked:
> are we OK for these funds to be used to ensure that all 
> councillors get funded in 09 or not.
> As I was unaware that these funds even existed, I would like 
> to know to what other use they might be put before giving my 
> answer. If it turns out the funds were just "sitting there" 
> and would not be used for anything else anyway, then by all 
> means let's use them to help fund people.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> 
> Le 24/03/09 01:30, « Gomes, Chuck » <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
> 
> > 
> > I was not suggesting anything about how the funds would be used but 
> > only that the additional information could be helpful for 
> > constituencies to have in making any decisions regarding 
> the use of the funds.
> > 
> > Chuck
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:59 PM
> >> To: GNSO Council
> >> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I am not sure what productive purpose such a exercise 
> would achieve.
> >> Are you suggesting that the money should be distributed 
> according to 
> >> donation proportionality?  I  think that might be 
> counter-productive 
> >> especially when what I was hoping to achieve was 
> sufficient funds for 
> >> all constituencies to send their participants to Sydney.
> >> 
> >> I did not get the impression that proportional 
> distribution was the 
> >> motivation behind Phillip's comment.  Rather I understood 
> him to be 
> >> pointing to the fact that the BC, coincidentally along 
> with the NCUC, 
> >> and ISPC could, at the moment only provide support for 1 
> participant 
> >> in Sydney.
> >> 
> >> a.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 14:39 -0400, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> >>> I wouldn't think it would be that difficult to go back 
> and find out 
> >>> what the various constituencies contributed to the fund.
> >> As I recall
> >>> various constituencies did not contribute the same amounts
> >> and I think
> >>> that they may like to know that information before making a
> >> decision
> >>> on how the funds are used.  Philip's comment caused me to
> >> think in that direction:
> >>> "As much of this money came from the BC in the first 
> place, I find 
> >>> this a positive suggestion."
> >>> 
> >>> Chuck
> >>> 
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 2:05 PM
> >>>> To: GNSO Council
> >>>> Subject: RE: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Are you suggesting we do such historical digging?  I am
> >> not sure to
> >>>> what purpose.  Are you suggesting we subdivide it according to 
> >>>> contribution?
> >>>> I would find that difficult and possibly quite
> >> contentious at this
> >>>> point.
> >>>> 
> >>>> a.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Mon, 2009-03-23 at 09:50 -0400, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> >>>>> Would it be possible to prepare a brief report that shows
> >>>> the source
> >>>>> of the funds by constituency as well as the total funds
> >> available?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Chuck
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> >>>>>> [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 7:33 AM
> >>>>>> To: GNSO Council
> >>>>>> Subject: [council] Old DNSO funds and this year's travel.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> I was wondering whether there would be general support in the 
> >>>>>> council for using the monies in this account to
> >> supplement the
> >>>>>> travel budget to Sydney and to Seoul in order to allow
> >>>> all current
> >>>>>> constituencies who wish to send 3 participants
> >> (Councilors, WG
> >>>>>> participants, SC ...) .
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> While we are asking for better funding in future
> >> years, we can
> >>>>>> be fairly certain that we will not get a raise in support
> >>>> for 2009.  It
> >>>>>> may make sense to use these funds for that purpose -
> >> i have been
> >>>>>> asked why we are holding on to the money in a time when
> >>>> we need more
> >>>>>> support.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> If there is general support, I would like to ask  the
> >>>> Travel DT to
> >>>>>> figure out how to make this allocation and then to bring
> >>>> a motion to
> >>>>>> the council.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> a.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> 
> 
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