GNSO Council Teleconference Minutes

Last Updated: 12 October 2017
Date: 
22 May 2003

List of attendees:
Philip Sheppard - Commercial & Business users C.
Marilyn Cade - Commercial & Business users C.
Grant Forsyth - Commercial & Business users C.
Greg Ruth - ISCPC - absent
Antonio Harris - ISCPC
Tony Holmes - ISCPC -
Thomas Keller- Registrars
Ken Stubbs - Registrars
Bruce Tonkin - Registrars
Jeff Neuman - gTLD
Jordyn Buchanan - gTLD
Cary Karp - gTLD
Ellen Shankman - Intellectual Property Interests C. - absent, apologies, proxy to Laurence Djolakian
Laurence Djolakian - Intellectual Property Interests C.
Lynda Roesch - Intellectual Property Interests C. -
Milton Mueller - Non Commercial users C.
Chun Eung Hwi - Non Commercial users C.
Gabriel Pineiro - Non Commercial users C. - absent, apologies, proxy to Antonio Harris


16 Council Members
Louis Touton - ICANN General Counsel

Thomas Roessler- ALAC Liaison (ALAC)
Wendy Seltzer - ALAC Liaison for gTLD committee

Glen de Saint Géry - GNSO Secretariat

MP3 recording of the meeting Alix Guillard - GNSO Secretariat/AFNIC
http://www.dnso.org/dnso/mp3/20030522.GNSO-council.mp3

Quorum present at 14:05 (all times reported are CET which is UTC + 2 during summer time in the northern hemisphere).

Bruce Tonkin chaired this teleconference.

  • Item 1: Approval of the Agenda
    http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20030522.GNSOteleconf-agenda.html

    Agenda approved
  • Item 2: Summary of last meeting
    http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20030417.GNSOteleconf-minutes.html
    Ken Stubbs moved the adoption of the minutes seconded by Laurence Djolakian .
    The motion was carried unanimously.

    Decision 1: Motion adopted.


  • Item 3: Ratify e-mail vote on ICANN Board seat number 13 resolution
    The Secretary summarized the votes:
    22 votes in favour of Alejandro Pisanty, 1 vote against Alejandro Pisanty, I abstention from the vote.

    Council members voted on the ratification of the vote.

    19 votes in favour, Laurence Djolakian carried a proxy for Ellen Shankman,
    Philip Sheppard, Antonio Harris, Chun Eung Hwi, Greg Ruth and Gabriel Pineiro, each holding one vote, were not on the call to ratify the results.

    Bruce Tonkin declared the ratification adopted.

    Decision 2. Declare the vote ratified, Alejandro Pisanty elected to ICANN Board seat 13 from mid 2003 to the second quarter of 2004.

  • Item 4. Process to elect GNSO Council Chair
    Bruce Tonkin
    handed the chair to Ken Stubbs, past DNSO Names Council chair.
    Ken Stubbs, confirmed by Louis Touton, stated that Bruce Tonkin had expressed the desire that the upcoming GNSO Council chair term should be consistent with the terms of all the Council members which, except for the Nominating Committee members, expire at the ICANN General Meeting in October 2003.
    A period for nominations to be opened was proposed.
    Marilyn Cade asked for clarification on the term being voted for, and whether the elected person would be eligible for reelection for another term of office.
    Louis Touton quoted article 10, section 3.7 of the bylaws and explained:
    http://www.icann.org/general/archive-bylaws/bylaws-15dec02.htm#X
    7. The GNSO Council shall select the GNSO Chair, for a term the GNSO Council specifies but not longer than one year, by written ballot or by action at a meeting. Any such selection must have the affirmative votes of a majority of all the members of the GNSO Council.
    There is no limitation in the bylaws. There are Rules of Procedure for the Council that were inherited from the Names Council and in a December document it was stated that they would apply except inconsistent with the bylaws, in which case the new bylaws would overrule them. There is a provision in the old Names Council bylaws that there will be two terms of six months and that there can only be one succession.
    On the agenda is a decision about voting on which rules should apply, and under the new bylaws there is no restriction on succession. A further consideration is that the new bylaws, in general, provide for council seats to run until the end of the annual meeting.
    Ken Stubbs cautioned about making timely preparation for a smooth transition period after the annual meeting in 2003.
    Bruce Tonkin mentioned 3 options before Council in selecting the term of office:
    (1) Elect a chair for a 6 month period consistent with the old names council rules of procedure:
    From: http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20021230.GNSOprocedures.html "The NC Chair will be elected by the members of the NC by simple majority vote and will hold office for a period of six months. One renewal, subject to a fresh vote, of six months will be allowed. A retiring Chair will not be eligible for reelection for a period of one year. "
    (2) Elect a chair for a 12 month period consistent with the new ICANN by-laws.
    From: http://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#X Article X: Section 3(7) "The GNSO Council shall select the GNSO Chair, for a term the GNSO Council specifies but not longer than one year, by written ballot or by action at a meeting. Any such selection must have affirmative votes comprising a majority of the votes of all the members of the GNSO Council."
    (3) Elect a chair until the conclusion of the ICANN annual meeting in 2003. This would align the chair with the terms of the current GNSO Council members.
    From: http://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#XX Article XX: Section 5(6) "The terms of the GNSO Council members described in paragraph 5 of this Section 5 shall last for the remainder of their terms under the Old Bylaws, except that the terms of all of those GNSO Council members shall end at the conclusion of the ICANN annual meeting in 2003"

    Ken Stubbs proposed that Philip Sheppard take over chairing the meeting in his place.

    Philip Sheppard, seconded by Ken Stubbs, proposed a motion to:

    Elect a chair until the conclusion of the ICANN annual meeting in 2003. This would align the chair with the terms of the current GNSO Council members.
    From: http://www.icann.org/general/bylaws.htm#XX Article XX: Section 5(6) "The terms of the GNSO Council members described in paragraph 5 of this Section 5 shall last for the remainder of their terms under the Old Bylaws, except that the terms of all of those GNSO Council members shall end at the conclusion of the ICANN annual meeting in 2003"
    with a nomination period of 2 weeks starting immediately.

    Louis Touton clarified that in the term proposed, there was no council desire to impose a restriction on succession of the person currently elected, for the next term, if that person was the new Council's choice.

    The motion was carried with all in favour except for Bruce Tonkin abstaining.

    Decision 3: Elect a GNSO Council chair until the conclusion of the ICANN annual meeting in 2003 with a 2 week nomination period starting immediately.

    Philip Sheppard handed back the chair to Bruce Tonkin.

  • Item 5. Final report on structure new gtld space http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20030509.gTLDs-committee-conclusions-v4.html
    - council to approve report for forwarding to the ICANN Board

    Philip Sheppard,
    as Chair of the gTLD Committee, reported that the committee had its last meeting two weeks ago after which a proposed draft final report was drawn up and circulated for comments for one week. Substantial comments raised concerned the distinction in terms of the committee's function and how that related to the formal policy development process (pdp) in the council.
    Following the comments a new compromise text was circulated which made it clear that the intent was not to circumvent the pdp and clearly split the conclusions in two. The structural change made clear that the objective criteria referred to demonstrated the committee's thinking and following an issue report could be followed by a policy development process.

    In the discussion that followed, change in language was suggested, separation of the objectives of opening the namespace from actual criteria that an individual would need for an application, criteria should be treated as a separate issue, the report should fit into the larger report on gTLDs, competition could be a means of differentiation, minimum response should be given to question asked.
    Louis Touton commented on the questions and answers and said that there seemed to be a divergence of opinion among Council about the actual question asked by the Board centering around the meaning of structure. It was felt that structure could vary from a preordained structure to be filled in, to whether consideration should be given to what else there should be in the DNS in making a decision to extend it. Even clear paragraphs were questioned as to whether they meant what they purported to. Furthermore the question was asked whether the principles stated in 2000 by the Names Council were considered
    http://www.dnso.org/dnso/notes/20000419.NCgtlds-statement.html
    Milton Mueller commented that the initial round of TLDs was seen as an experiment and should not be considered in the present context.

    Bruce Tonkin summarized saying:
    - That there seemed to be consensus on the resolution which was a blockquoteect response to the question: that a demand driven system was preferable to a taxonomy of names.
    - The actual criteria used to select applicants in the demand driven system should be objective and subject to a policy development process.
    - That the report encompassing the committee's conclusions and detailed statements should incorporate further comments before approving the summary which would be sent to the Board.
    Philip Sheppard, after consultation with Louis Touton, who said that there was no immediate necessity to vote on the report, suggested that the resolution be delayed until June when the whole report could be voted on. The agreement statement should not be taken out of context of the report as a whole.

    Bruce Tonkin suggested:
    1. A resolution based on the conclusions
    2. The Chair of the gTLD committee should be requested to incorporate the additional comments and give Council the time to study the revised report.

    Bruce Tonkin proposed a procedural motion, seconded by Marilyn Cade.
  • To delay voting on the conclusions of the gTLD committee as well as the summary report on the possible criteria until June.
    Vote: 11 in support, 13 against
    The motion failed.

    Philip Sheppard proposed, seconded by Jordyn Buchanan.

  • In response to the question asked of it by the Board, the GNSO council concludes:
    Expansion of the gTLD namespace should be a bottom-up approach with names proposed by the interested parties to ICANN. Expansion should be demand-driven. Furthermore, there should be a set of objective criteria to be met in any future expansion. The development of this set of objective criteria should be the subject of a new Policy Development Process (PDP). These ideas are expanded in a report together with the responses of the GNSO Constituencies and the ALAC which will be forwarded to the Board in June.
    Vote: Unanimous support for the motion.

    Decision 4: In response to the question asked of it by the Board, the GNSO council concludes:
    Expansion of the gTLD namespace should be a bottom-up approach with names proposed by the interested parties to ICANN. Expansion should be demand-driven. Furthermore, there should be a set of objective criteria to be met in any future expansion. The development of this set of objective criteria should be the subject of a new Policy Development Process (PDP). These ideas are expanded in a report together with the responses of the GNSO Constituencies and the ALAC which will be forwarded to the Board in June.


    Bruce Tonkin proposed, seconded by Philip Sheppard who proposed an amendment:
    A procedural motion to request the gTLD committee to complete the summary of the discussions and of the issues relating to the objective criteria for finalization at the time of the June meeting,

    Amendment:

    A comment period of 7 days starting immediately after which, the circulated draft gTLD report would be the base of the report put forward at the June meeting.
    Vote: Unanimous support for the motion.

    Decision 5: Request the gTLD committee to complete the summary of the discussions and of the issues relating to the objective criteria for finalization at the time of the June meeting, with a comment period of 7 days starting immediately after which the circulated draft gTLD report would be the base of the report put forward at the June meeting.

  • Item 6. Discussion of staff manager's report on privacy
    http://www.icann.org/gnso/issue-reports/whois-privacy-report-13may03.htm
    - council to decide whether to initiate the next step in the policy development process
    - council to decide whether to appoint a task force


    Louis Touton
    summarized the 5 recommendations in the Staff Manager's report on privacy:
    1. The GNSO Council should form a Whois/Privacy Steering Group, with representation by all constituencies. (The GNSO Council may wish to consider having this Steering Group chaired by a person independent of any constituency.) The charter of the Whois/Privacy Steering Group should be clearly defined to include the following tasks, with the purpose of guiding the GNSO in the process of establishing a work plan for development of policy recommendations on Whois/privacy issues:
    (a) acquiring relevant, reliable information concerning the circumstances related to uses and misuses of Whois;
    (b) better defining the privacy-related issues arising from Whois and better understanding their inter-relationships;
    (c) identifying with groups outside the GNSO (including groups that are now working on, or that plan to work on, Whois/privacy issues) that can assist the GNSO in its policy-development work on Whois/privacy issues and consulting with them concerning specific ways (such as factual analyses on specific questions) in which they might assist;
    (d) presenting to the GNSO Council a recommended work plan for its activities in the developing policy recommendations on Whois/privacy issues (see recommendation 3 below for more details).

    2. A major initial focus of the fact-finding and issue-definition process should be the dissemination of information and community-wide sharing of views about the nature and costs of providing Whois services, actual uses and misuses of Whois, relevant current ICANN policies, and privacy requirements in various jurisdictions. In that regard, the GNSO Council should join with the Government Advisory Committee (GAC) working group in requesting the President to organize a Whois workshop at the ICANN Montreal meeting with that focus.

    3. The Whois/Privacy Steering Group of the GNSO should provide its work plan by a specified date (such as 1 August 2003) well in advance of the Carthage meeting. The work plan should define the five (approximately) issues that the Whois/Privacy Steering Group recommends be accorded high priority in the policy-development process. The work plan should also identify groups with which the Whois/Privacy Steering Group recommends that the GNSO collaborate in policy development, and describe the nature and benefits of the proposed collaboration.

    Bruce Tonkin stated the main issues:
    1. A Steering group should be formed to effectively develop the terms of reference for 1 or more task forces to deal with the major issues
    2. Creating a forum for discussing the facts associated with WHOIS. Request the President to organize the forum or workshop at the ICANN Montreal meetings.

    Bruce Tonkin proposed, seconded by Marilyn Cade:

    Requesting the ICANN President to organize a workshop for the Montreal meeting which should incorporate the GNSO constituencies as well as the Government Advisory Committee and other groups.
    Vote: Unanimous support for the motion.

    Decision 6: Request the ICANN President to organize a workshop for the Montreal meeting which should incorporate the GNSO constituencies as well as the Government Advisory Committee and other groups.


    Bruce Tonkin proposed, seconded by Jordyn Buchanan
    That the GNSO Council agree forming a Steering Group
    - to take the Issues Report which recommends:
    (a) acquiring relevant, reliable information concerning the circumstances related to uses and misuses of Whois;
    (b) better defining the privacy-related issues arising from Whois and better understanding their inter-relationships;
    (c) identifying with groups outside the GNSO (including groups that are now working on, or that plan to work on, Whois/privacy issues) that can assist the GNSO in its policy-development work on Whois/privacy issues and consulting with them concerning specific ways (such as factual analyses on specific questions) in which they might assist;
    (d) presenting to the GNSO Council a recommended work plan for its activities in the developing policy recommendations on Whois/privacy issues
    - to take the outcome of the Montreal ICANN workshop
    - to develop a set up terms of reference for one or more task forces on the critical issues
    - to make recommendations to the GNSO Council
    Suggested timeline: at the meeting following the June meeting, the Steering Group would be expected to provide a draft report to the GNSO Council as a set of potential issues for consideration by task forces and possibly finalize that by the following meeting which would be 30 days later. Thus 60 days following the Montreal ICANN Meeting there should be a clear set of one or more task forces and a clear set of terms of reference to take these issues and the issue report forward.

    Philip Sheppard took the chair in the absence of Bruce Tonkin who was abruptly cut off from the call.

    Vote: Unanimous support for the motion.

    Decision 7: Forming a Steering Group
    - to take the Issues Report
    - to take the outcome of the Montreal ICANN workshop

    - to develop a set up terms of reference for one or more task forces on the critical issues
    - to make recommendations to the GNSO Council
    Suggested timeline: 60 days following the Montreal ICANN Meeting there should be a clear set of one or more task forces and a clear set of terms of reference to take these issues and this issue report forward.

  • Items 7 to 12 deferred to next GNSO Council meeting


    Philip Sheppard declared GNSO meeting closed

    Call ended: 16:20 CET, 15:20 UTC, Thursday 22, May, 00:20 Melbourne time, Friday 23 May 2003.